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    On another note, I just recently received my HP 2570p hard drive caddy! I'm thinking about swapping in a 128GB SSD to boot off of and using the HDD that it came with as my storage in the drive caddy. Do you guys have any recommendations for cheap 128GB SSD's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise View Post
    @Nando So sad to hear about HP not continuing the 12" line. I guess we'll be owning this laptop for some time.
    Indeed. After getting nowhere asking for a ZBook 12, I've pleaded with the product manager to at least give us a Haswell systemboard. What a revelation it would be for HP to produce 2570P successor based on internet-derived feedback.

    I was surprised at the other candidates he listed as a 2570P replacement . None hit the important target areas (for me anyway!):

    12.5" 820 G1 - this is a 12.5" 2170P successor, not 2570P successor. ULV, no ODD, soldered CPU, no external PCIe
    13/14" Probook 400/600 - no external PCIe connectivity, expresscard or TBT
    14" Zbook 14 - no external PCIe, expresscard or TBT. Who signed off on this?
    15/17" ZBook - too big but has external PCIe, both expresscard and TBT

    I've also had correspondance with the senior support engineer asking the pertinent questions to get the most out of our machines inc 45W i7-quad upgradability, better heatsinks and unlocked voltage, wiring up those unbridged WWAN lines - whether it's mSATA or pcie, unwhitelisting WWAN. First reply disregarded all my other questions and pretty much said "2570P is engineered as a 35W system so can't help with 45W use", then listed the above Haswell Elitebooks as performance upgrades.

    I'm hopeful his second reply will address the questions on how to get maximum mileage out of the 2570P.

    2570P forerunner to thin-and-light workstation class of machine?

    Our 12.5" 2570P was the forerunner to what looks like a new class of system: thin-and-light workstations. The 14" ZBook and 15" Dell Precision M3800 both with i7-quad CPUs are this new class. They differ to our 2570P by offering dGPUs and high res LCDs. However, unlike the 2570P neither has external PCIe in the form of an expresscard or Thunderbolt port nor is there an optical drive. An eGPU attached to a 2570P's expresscard slot will outbench all dGPUs they have on offer by a considerable margin.

    Since the 2570P isn't thin, but is small I refer to it as 'small and mighty' Only other unit in that class being the 35W i7-quad equipped 13" Sony Z3 which also came with a FHD LCD and a ultrabook-like thin-and-light chassis. While it lacks weight it also misses out on a expresscard/TBT port as well as Mil-spec durability. Sony being Sony was a costly unit.
    Last edited by nando4; 10-19-2013 at 09:37 AM.
    DIY eGPU eGPU Implementations: TB, EC, mPCIe 12" HP 2570P with i7-3740QM@3.87Ghz HP C2D DualIDA BIOS

    14" Dell Latitude E6440 i7-4800MQ 3.7Ghz HD4600 1600x900 8GB 500GB SSHD + ODD + BCM4352AC WWAN Win7/64 + DIY eGPU (PE4C 2.1) weapon of choice:

    GTX770@4Gbps+c-EC2 3dmkGPU:13-fs/11/06=7487/9842/30508
    R9 280X@4Gbps-EC2    3dmkGPU:13-fs/11/06=7314/9721/28904

    13" Macbook Pro i5-3210M 3.1 HD4000 8GB 500GB Win7/64 +GTX660Ti@8Gbps-TB1 (TH05) 3dmkGPU:11/06=7810/18569

    Which is better? E6440 is 2.5+ times better at 70% the cost of the MBP making it 3.5+ times better value => MBP had to go

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    Putting the 2570p on a diet?

    Ok now that I've had this rugged & capable 6-cell Elitebook for a week or so, I must say I'm surprised at how noticeably heavier it seems (vs. my older 2530p with the biggest battery, as well as our older Lenovo X60 series unit). I had read the reviews and was of course expecting a somewhat heavier unit, but I must say - in daily use - boy this 2570p is pretty darn hefty for an ultraportable! Really feel it in my backpack when I travel My wife, who ultimately "inherits" my ultraportables when I upgrade to something else, has even commented that she's not sure she'd want to lug this around one day.

    I'll deal with it, but I'm wondering - has anyone here removed their 2570p optical drive and experienced much reduction in weight? That is, does the 2570p seem appreciably lighter without the DVD multi-drive installed? And - strange question, I know - is there anything else non-essential that can be removed to put this unit "on a diet"? I think shaving off even half a pound or so would make a noticeable difference.

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    2570P performance-enhancement questions for HP

    Hi everyone, I've prepared my list of 2570P performance-enhancement questions in the spoiler below. These are to be presented to Ajay, the senior HP notebook engineer. Feel free to peruse and advise if there are any others you may have that could be added on too.

    Spoiler

    Last edited by nando4; 10-23-2013 at 06:40 AM.
    DIY eGPU eGPU Implementations: TB, EC, mPCIe 12" HP 2570P with i7-3740QM@3.87Ghz HP C2D DualIDA BIOS

    14" Dell Latitude E6440 i7-4800MQ 3.7Ghz HD4600 1600x900 8GB 500GB SSHD + ODD + BCM4352AC WWAN Win7/64 + DIY eGPU (PE4C 2.1) weapon of choice:

    GTX770@4Gbps+c-EC2 3dmkGPU:13-fs/11/06=7487/9842/30508
    R9 280X@4Gbps-EC2    3dmkGPU:13-fs/11/06=7314/9721/28904

    13" Macbook Pro i5-3210M 3.1 HD4000 8GB 500GB Win7/64 +GTX660Ti@8Gbps-TB1 (TH05) 3dmkGPU:11/06=7810/18569

    Which is better? E6440 is 2.5+ times better at 70% the cost of the MBP making it 3.5+ times better value => MBP had to go

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    I know it's a not very important issue, but I would enquiry HP about allowing BCLK overclocking. Of course, in order to use it with XTU. I realise, that we have genious Khenglish and his ME FW files, but.. I still haven't figured out how to enable the BCLK slider in XTU. It's a kind of a lottery, unfortunately.

    It could be connected with raising the max. TDP allowed by the BIOS.

    Oh, and maybe they would answer if BCLK OC affects EC PCIe frequency. Because if it does not, we would need only higher TDP limits to unleash the power of powerful i7 CPUs. This OC is really important for EC, because it could be the only way to increase eGPU bandwidth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jot23 View Post
    I know it's a not very important issue, but I would enquiry HP about allowing BCLK overclocking. Of course, in order to use it with XTU. I realise, that we have genious Khenglish and his ME FW files, but.. I still haven't figured out how to enable the BCLK slider in XTU. It's a kind of a lottery, unfortunately.

    It could be connected with raising the max. TDP allowed by the BIOS.

    Oh, and maybe they would answer if BCLK OC affects EC PCIe frequency. Because if it does not, we would need only higher TDP limits to unleash the power of powerful i7 CPUs. This OC is really important for EC, because it could be the only way to increase eGPU bandwidth.
    Thank you for the suggestion. While I'd love to ask about BCLK overclocking I can pretty safely say running a BUS beyond it's standard 100Mhz will get a flat 'unsupported' response. Even the 45W i7-quad CPU upgrade is a bit touchy since HP designed and tested the system with a 35W i5/i7.

    Instead, Khenglish' 2570P BCLK ME firmware post advises:

    Quote Originally Posted by Khenglish View Post
    After flashing XTU may need to be reinstalled to enable the BLCK slider.

    I do not know if this BCLK overclocking also overclocks the PCH PCI-E for eGPUs. It would be nice if someone could test PCI-E bandwidth in SANDRA with a BCLK overclock to verify if it does or not. If not I can provide an additional mod which definitely will overclock the PCH PCI-E.
    With the missing slider, does it occur with XTU 2.1 and XTU 3.x? It would be great if you can work with Khenglish to figure out what the 2570P limits are for pci-e overclocks. As you point out, success there would gain extra eGPU bandwidth.
    Last edited by nando4; 10-20-2013 at 10:08 AM.
    DIY eGPU eGPU Implementations: TB, EC, mPCIe 12" HP 2570P with i7-3740QM@3.87Ghz HP C2D DualIDA BIOS

    14" Dell Latitude E6440 i7-4800MQ 3.7Ghz HD4600 1600x900 8GB 500GB SSHD + ODD + BCM4352AC WWAN Win7/64 + DIY eGPU (PE4C 2.1) weapon of choice:

    GTX770@4Gbps+c-EC2 3dmkGPU:13-fs/11/06=7487/9842/30508
    R9 280X@4Gbps-EC2    3dmkGPU:13-fs/11/06=7314/9721/28904

    13" Macbook Pro i5-3210M 3.1 HD4000 8GB 500GB Win7/64 +GTX660Ti@8Gbps-TB1 (TH05) 3dmkGPU:11/06=7810/18569

    Which is better? E6440 is 2.5+ times better at 70% the cost of the MBP making it 3.5+ times better value => MBP had to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by nando4 View Post
    Thank you for the suggestion. While I'd love to ask about BCLK overclocking I can pretty safely say running a BUS beyond it's standard 100Mhz will get a flat 'unsupported' response. Even the 45W i7-quad CPU upgrade is a bit touchy since HP designed and tested the system with a 35W i5/i7.

    With the missing slider, does it occur with XTU 2.1 and XTU 3.x? It would be great if you can work with Khenglish to figure out what the 2570P limits are for pci-e overclocks. As you point out, success there would gain extra eGPU bandwidth.
    Maybe HP could at least tell us, if there is a point in looking for eGPU performance boost this way. If it gives us a 0% chance of overclocking PCIe, there's no reason to further investigate this issue, as I don't even have a i7 QM, which would be limited by TDP.

    Wasn't there a 2570p (somewhere on Ebay) with 45W i7? Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I tried every version of XTU. Reinstalled it dozens of times. Before the flash, there was at least a greyed out slider. Then, it disappeared and I can't get it to appear again. Khenglish said there's some voodoo needed to do it... so, it makes me wonder, why this reinstallation method worked for Aikimox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jot23 View Post
    Maybe HP could at least tell us, if there is a point in looking for eGPU performance boost this way. If it gives us a 0% chance of overclocking PCIe, there's no reason to further investigate this issue, as I don't even have a i7 QM, which would be limited by TDP.

    Wasn't there a 2570p (somewhere on Ebay) with 45W i7? Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I tried every version of XTU. Reinstalled it dozens of times. Before the flash, there was at least a greyed out slider. Then, it disappeared and I can't get it to appear again. Khenglish said there's some voodoo needed to do it... so, it makes me wonder, why this reinstallation method worked for Aikimox.
    Yeah the BCLK slider missing is a mystery to me. After having to reinstall windows my slider is now gone and I can't get it back either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nando4 View Post
    2570P performance-enhancement questions for HP

    Hi everyone, I've prepared my list of 2570P performance-enhancement questions in the spoiler below. These are to be presented to Ajay, the senior HP notebook engineer. Feel free to peruse and advise if there are any others you may have that could be added on too.
    Worst case, please keep the WLAN disabled whitelist in future BIOS updates. I just tried an Intel 1000 and Atheros AR5B91 I had laying around. Both showed in the BIOS as TEST WLAN and showed in Windows. Safe to say that the whitelisting is broken or disabled.
    Elitebook 2570p / i7-3632QM / HD4000 / 16GB DDR3L / 128 GB SSD / 500 GB WD Blue / Win7
    Galaxy GTX 650Ti Boost 2GB eGPU
    3DMark06/Vantage/11 = 21269/18535/5083

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    Quote Originally Posted by nando4 View Post
    2570P performance-enhancement questions for HP

    Hi everyone, I've prepared my list of 2570P performance-enhancement questions in the spoiler below. These are to be presented to Ajay, the senior HP notebook engineer. Feel free to peruse and advise if there are any others you may have that could be added on too.

    Spoiler

    Great effort, M8! Alas, we all know the answer. If HP honors you with a reply, it will probably be somewhere in the "not tested, not supported, not designed, no..." ballpark
    I'd be surprised if the was a constructive and positive feedback from them (or any other vendor for that matter). Still, crossing fingers and toes wherever possible. Good luck!
    HP EXtremeBook 2570p <> 12.5" <>3840QM Quad@4Ghz! <> 8GB RAM <> 1.5TB storage <> Windows Server 2012 Datacenter

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